The Life of Alexis Perkins

The Life of Alexis Perkins

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January 9th, 2017, 11:00 am

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 6th, 2017, 10:10 pm

And we come back to Julie and Alexis, where Julie is in a bit of a rage after finding out the way Alexis was treated.

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Guest, January 9th, 2017, 8:22 pm

Lord pokegod Arceus above her mom is freaking crazy.

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Anon-ish, January 10th, 2017, 7:34 pm

The sad part is that this kind of thing does happen... people are just horrible

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 10th, 2017, 10:21 pm

@Anon-ish: Indeed. It is really unfortunate.

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 12th, 2017, 2:39 pm

@TallMist: Eh? None of the three of us working on this comic were aware there was a major issue with the word? I mean, the idea here is that Julie is so angry that she's using heavy curses. As our generation is the one trying to make speech a more open and tolerated thing, I had no reason to believe that our generation would be claiming words as "bad language".

That said as well, Julie uses the word "fucktard" which is not (to my knowledge) connected or used in any way as an insensitive word towards mentally challenged people. As well, I've never heard the term "retard" used to actually mention, or in some way be used as an offensive term for, mentally challenged individuals. The only time I have heard such is "mentally retarded" which I have avoided using here in this comment, but from what I understand is the legitimate scientific term used for them.

It's similar to the word "psychopath" and "sociopath" .They are the legitimate scientific terms for those sorts of people, but people seem oddly offended when those terms are used.

I can change the dialogue if need be, but I really thought we were the generation trying to end the idea of bad language.

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TallMist, January 12th, 2017, 4:02 pm

Eh I should probably just delete my comment anyway. This is just gonna lead into a fight if I don't. Nevermind, forget I said anything.

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 12th, 2017, 4:46 pm

@TallMist: Eh? But... how am I supposed to understand the problem and thus avoid the issue later on if I am not informed about the matter? I want to understand, I really do, I'm just confused and trying to learn.

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TallMist, January 12th, 2017, 4:54 pm

@EmilyAnnCoons: I appreciate it, but I just decided it's not worth it. Someone, even if it's not you, is just gonna come along and an argument will break out and I honestly don't have the energy either way. Don't even wanna think about risking it.

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 12th, 2017, 5:05 pm

@TallMist: Well, now we're in an argument over not having an argument XD But... all right... I mean, I really think you should anyway, because yeah, it's true that an argument might break out, but it's still a matter of learning. I mean, your statement is the first I've heard of "retard" being considered a horrible thing to say, and even more "fucktard". I put it in there cause I felt it was an extreme thing for Juri to say, but if there's something wrong with it, it really should be corrected... But I can't fix it unless I know what all is wrong with it and why...

Not to mention that I can't let something like this simply slide. If it's truly something wrong, as a writer who is trying to show a group of people who would have these sort of mindsets, I need to know why it's wrong. If I won't get the information here, then I'll have to outsource and research other places. As of so far, my doing so has produced no results, and everyone I ask is like "It is, so that's that." Which is then like "But... aren't we the ones trying to be all 'You have to question and learn stuff so you do know what is truly right and wrong?'" Which just leads me to even less understanding, gives me a headache, and brings about a bout of depression as I sit by and go "Oh look, apparently it's a thing that everyone knows and is just so, and I don't know this thing, I must be a freaking idiot." Thus further cementing my feelings of being stupid (and, of course, I'm always wrong about everything as well, so obviously here I'm wrong, and I'm even more of an idiot because of that).

Do you see my point? I know you want to avoid an argument, but if something this major IS truly problematic, I need to know and be able to understand, and I can't if the moment I ask about it those who called me out on it immediately back away and hide.

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TallMist, January 12th, 2017, 5:45 pm

@EmilyAnnCoons: All right, then. I hate when people make me feel dumb, so I'm not gonna make anyone else feel that way either.

Well, one point you've made is that you've never seen "retard" or even "fucktard" being used in such a way is that you've never really seen it. As someone with no real life and just browses Facebook all day every day, I see it happen so much. People are always using the term to insult peoples' intelligence. "Haha, you like this? You're retarded." or "Haha, you got THAT question wrong and I didn't? You're retarded." And it especially gets worse towards people that are neurodivergent. I once had someone say to me, word for word, "Haha, you're an autistic? No wonder you think you're one of those transgendered freaks. You're retarded." It especially doesn't help that people keep comparing being autistic to being retarded.

It may not be intentional, but the term retard, in almost all, if not all, of its uses is an insult to intelligence and neurodivergency, especially autistic people.

Even if the word was to be eradicated of its awful meaning, the implications would still be there when it's used.

I know this sounds like just another "It is, so that's that.", but that's why I was worried an argument might break out.
1. Because if I ever question anything anyone ever does, especially if it's someone with fans, I'm going to get so much heat that it'll just make me fall into another depression and have a meltdown (It happens EVERY time)
and 2. I'm not really good at explaining things, so when I do explain them, there's a bunch of holes that are seen, but wouldn't be there if I knew how to articulate better.

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 12th, 2017, 6:10 pm

@TallMist: -nods- I do see your point, but I'll also admit that that's sort of the point, isn't it? To call something "stupid" is to insult a person's intelligence. Calling someone "retarded" or a "fucktard" is doing just that. That's actually why someone recently had an argument over Tumblr over the word "stupid" as being terrible and derogatory as well. I do, absolutely, understand that people tend to use the term to insult people's intelligence, but... well... that's exactly what Juri is doing here, isn't she? She's saying "Wow, someone is really willing to murder a person over something like transgenderism? Are they idiots?" She literally is insulting their intelligence.

I guess that's where I struggle to see the issue with it, though. If I were to say "that person was stupid" people would be like "Yeap". If I were to say "OMG, that person was retarded" suddenly now I'm being derogatory towards divergent people. However, I don't really see a difference besides the fact that one is what you use wen you feel someone was doing something really stupid and absolutely deserves to be called out as such. In the aspect of Jordan, well, was he not an idiot for trying to murder someone over something like transgenderism? Being that she is angry and using intense cursing, it would stand to reason that she'd use a word bigger then simply "What kinds of backwards idiot would do something like that?" Do you see the difference in the phrases when I put it like that? In one instance, she seems calm. In the other instance, the one I'm trying to portray, she's so far angry she isn't thinking, isn't really controlling her language, etc.

The simple fact does stand that she's meant to be obscene and offensive here. Every other word in her statement is an obscene word. However, is our generation not the one trying to make obscene words not be considered as such? We're the ones who are trying to make "fuck" and "damn" normal, every day language that people use. So, would it not make sense to note this as simply a moment where the character is using obscene words because she's so angry?

All of that said, though, while I still don't really understand (it seems really contradictory to me to call one type of obscene word "obscene" but another type of obscene word "okay"), I am still willing to fix this scene if the need be. To do so, though, I need a phrase that can be used to portray the exact same raw emotion, the exact same level of obscenity. Personally, having had a sheltered life, I really don't know much in the way of cuss words (having just learned some like "cunt" within the last year, so you can see how really far behind I am on my knowledge of cusses). So, please let me know what else I could use and I'll see about fixing it up.

However, this is another thing that really begs a big question to me. As you stated, the term "retarded" is used in a derogatory manner. I've also recently learned that "transsexual" is now also a derogatory term, despite, again, being the scientific term for the issue (even my doctor, who I see ever month and knows my situation, uses it when talking to me). As well, I've heard people say that "psychopath" and "sociopath" are also derogatory terms. As I look at this, I start to realize that, as our race and language evolves, we're using words to mean new things. That's why these words are "derogatory". However, our generation is, again, the ones trying to end that idea. The reason curses like "damn" and "shit" are hated is because, truthfully, they are derogatory. Plain and simple "to fuck" is to have sex. To use it in any other manner is... well... the same as "retarded". To say a neurodivergant person is "retarded" is, well... correct. "Mental Retardation" is the term for that particular string of neurodivergance. However, when used to refer to someone who is not, suddenly it's "offensive" in the exact manner that it's "offensive" to the older generation to say "fuck".

My point is... well... everything can be derogatory in the end. Literally everything a person can say can be misconstrued and be derogatory wen used in the incorrect manner. We, as the younger people, need to have this revelation and to understand it. We, as the younger generation, need to understand that if we call words "obscene" and "derogatory" we are no worse than the generations before us. Should we all return to using the word "thou" because the word "you" is derogatory in relation to old 1300s language?

Anyway, all that said, again, I want to iterate that if it really is so terrible, I will happily change the words. I just need to be informed of a set of words that can be used to mean the exact same thing that are not those words and are not derogatory. If you can present me with such words, I will happily change it. Personally, though, with how sheltered I am, I am just not knowledgeable enough to know words I could use instead.

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TallMist, January 12th, 2017, 6:22 pm

@EmilyAnnCoons: I'm not really going to bother reading all that. I didn't have the energy for this in the first place, I said I didn't, and then you convinced me to engage anyway, and the next thing I see is such a huge wall of text. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be rude, by saying that, and none of my previous comments were meant to be rude either. I'm just too tired (and not in the sleepy way). So I guess I concede or whatever the proper word is. I didn't really want to debate this in the first place.

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CuteDress&TwinPonytails, January 14th, 2017, 10:15 am

Yes, I was disappointed by the use of such profanity by Julie. I do understand that Julie needs to vent her outrage in a forceful way, but a writer should be able to use words to express such extreme and intimidating thoughts by their characters, without resorting to or using extreme profanity, cussing, vulgarity, street-n-'hood language, or trashing a supreme being. Trying to " reclaim " such words is a lost cause, IMO, as one can see the results by means of the comments to this day's comic.

* " I will happily change the words. I just need to be informed of a set of words that can be used to mean the exact same thing that are not those words and are not derogatory. "

Yes, I agree ! Let's you and I, and others, give thought to that. Or let it be, if that is your style. Writers prerogative.

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 14th, 2017, 5:48 pm

@CuteDress&TwinPonytails: If it is truly problematic, I have no issues with changing it. I just need to know what to change it to. However, as a friend of mine said "Language changes and vulgarity changes with it. What was once offensive will no longer be offensive in only a few years, and words that were not offensive will become offensive in a matter of years. Language evolves, you'll never be able to please everyone." I wholly agree to that. By what standard do I declare what is good and bad in language? Do I use the standard of today? Of tomorrow? Of yesterday? Of 10 years ago? Of 10 years from now? Cause the standard changes every day, every year, every generation. Do I make it so Juri does not say the F word because 10 years ago that was considered highly vulgar, but "retard" was not in tat time? Do I allow Juri to use the F word but not "fucktard" because now that word is highly vulgar?

The idea is that, yes, she is using strong language. That's Juri's character, when she's angry, she doesn't think or consider her language. I am attempting to write realistic characters in a realistic setting. Should Alexis call Juri out on the matter? She's autistic, so of course she wouldn't. The thought of that alone would give her anxiety, assuming that she isn't like me and doesn't even realize said word is so terrible. In the end, I will never be able to cater to everyone. I can do what I can, but eventually, if this was to persist, I'd be forced to quit writing, because there'd be nothing left I can write that isn't offensive.

That said "a writer should be able to use words to express such extreme and intimidating thoughts by their characters, without resorting to or using extreme profanity, cussing, vulgarity, street-n-'hood language, or trashing a supreme being" Yeah, I know I'm a pretty bad writer. I mean, that's one of the tells that shows how bad I am at it.

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TallMist, January 15th, 2017, 6:22 pm

@EmilyAnnCoons: "She's autistic, so of course she wouldn't"

Woooowwwwww. Guess what? I'm autistic and I called it out. Yeah, we're capable of calling out ableism. And not just ableism either, but any form of bigotry. Including the notion that we're not capable of doing such a thing.

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EmilyAnnCoons, January 16th, 2017, 3:49 am

@TallMist: Ahh, my apologies. My experiences with autism are only myself... of which my doctor thinks I may not be autistic? I may just have extreme anxiety... I dunno... I was told 5 years ago I was autistic, now I'm being told otherwise... In either case, Alexis' actions are based off me. Based off how I am? I am... actually... quite incapable of calling out... well... anything... When anyone does anything like that, I just kind of reclude into my shell and hide. I just assumed that's how other people like me were. Guess I was wrong. Again, my apologies, but still, with how Alexis is, she would not be able to call it out, just as I am incapable of doing so.

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trans Homura (Guest), January 31st, 2017, 8:08 pm

@EmilyAnnCoons: as someone who can't work due to autism how bout what motherfucker would do it